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[–]zsreportTexas[S] 2440 points2441 points  (616 children)

The findings released by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and Drug Policy Alliance (DPA) showed that 83% of Americans say the "war on drugs" has failed. That assessment is felt similarly across party lines; 83% of Democrats expressed that view, as did 85% of Independents and 82% of Republicans. Nearly two-thirds of respondents (65%) said it's time to end the war on drugs.

The poll also found that 66% of voters support getting rid of "criminal penalties for drug possession and reinvesting drug enforcement resources into treatment and addiction services."

[–]SasparillaTango 1362 points1363 points  (345 children)

you'd think something with such universal support would fly through congress, but no.

[–]prsply3n 914 points915 points  (130 children)

I know right. But not when there is money to be made off incarceration. The system is fucked.

[–]TheShavedApe 439 points440 points  (56 children)

Who do you think comprised the other 17% of respondents? "Shareholders".

[–]BUTTHOLE-MAGICNorth Carolina 270 points271 points  (53 children)

Shareholders and complete morons. You have to have hate in your heart and/or ignorance to still endorse the war on drugs.

I've known some of these people. They use the word "degeneracy" to refer to drug use and have no empathy for anyone who dies. Especially addicts. They look at addicts like subhumans - animals.

These are evil people who support the War on Drugs.

[–]dobryden22 98 points99 points  (10 children)

See if these degenerates could afford a portfolio and some designer coke, they're shareholders!

[–]Frostypancake 27 points28 points  (0 children)

For a second i forgot the conversation was about drugs and thought you meant designer coca cola. I was sitting here thinking “godamn, they have designer everything nowadays”

[–]HauntedCemeteryMinnesota 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Blow, by Dolce & Gabbana

[–]willellloydgarrisun 25 points26 points  (7 children)

Or they want to end the war on drugs but freak out any time you suggest spending less money on policing enforcing the failed drug war

[–]evanwilliams44 17 points18 points  (0 children)

This is a big part of it. If you worded the question something like, "would you support less money for police drug enforcement?" I think you would have a party-line result.

[–]Acysbib 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Crazy part is... They cannot win. One single man has planted enough cannabis to be net zero (or positive) against the war on drugs.

One man.

Not only is it a losing battle, but it is one they cannot win... And know they cannot win.

[–]QbertsRube 30 points31 points  (7 children)

I also know some of these people, and they're the type to crush an 18-pack of Busch Light every single day after work and 30 per day on weekends. That's totally fine and normal, but evil reefer is for losers and deadbeats.

[–]blackestheartedMichigan 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Don't forget the ones who abuse prescription drugs, but say it's totally different because they have a "script." My cousin blows through his 30-day supply of Xanax in a week every month, and last year wrapped a car around a tree -- but our mutual cousin, who struggles with heroin addiction after getting addicted to opioids following a car accident (drunk driver T-boned him) in which he lost a leg, is "worthless human garbage."

Heroin? Degenerate. Weed? Degenerate. Coke? Degenerate. Abusing your Xanax and totaling your elderly mom's car as a result? Not degenerate, somehow.

[–]DarkwingDuckHunt 89 points90 points  (33 children)

Which is why the vote on the new constitutional amendment is going to be interesting to watch.

(Dems introduced an amendment to get rid of the last bit of text in the constitution that still allows slavery. When this amendment passes it'll bankrupt the private prison system.)

[–]spokeca 51 points52 points  (8 children)

"Gets rid of the last bit of... slavery"?

The R's aren't going to pass that!

[–]lunapup1233007Minnesota 26 points27 points  (7 children)

That thing will never pass. Amendments are nearly impossible to pass.

[–]DarkwingDuckHunt 11 points12 points  (6 children)

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude may be imposed as a punishment for a crime.

like I said, the vote is going to be interesting if they ever let it come up for a vote

[–]ZomNomNomBeeZMichigan 25 points26 points  (5 children)

If it requires ratification from the states The the GOP knows they have cover for their national politicians. The senate can vote yes and the states can just not ratify the change. Same thing they did with equal rights for women. It passed easily but was never ratified because the red states like their women in the kitchen.

[–]seensham 199 points200 points  (136 children)

Universal healthcare has entered the chat

[–]Ferelar 235 points236 points  (66 children)

Sensible gun regulations have entered the chat.

Veteran Affairs reform has entered the chat.

Meaningful comprehensive infrastructure bill has entered the chat.

Chatroom has been renamed "The Island of Bills That Will Never Pass Despite Massive Widespread Approval".

[–]Roma_Victrix 165 points166 points  (41 children)

Then we clearly don't live in a representative democracy.

We live in an oligarchy or kleptocracy that offers the general public the illusion of choice with unyielding corporate control of both parties.

Probably too late to even overturn Citizens United, not without some sustained enormous general strike. I don't think the general public is patient, cohesive, coordinated or smart enough to sustain that, not with the stupid culture war stuff dividing working people.

[–]Sgt-Spliff 72 points73 points  (11 children)

The word you're looking for is Plutocracy. Rule by the rich.

[–]Ravier_ 39 points40 points  (5 children)

Kleptocracy works as well. It means ruled by thieves.

[–]Global_Doughnut_8820 17 points18 points  (3 children)

Had never heard the word kleptocracy before and looked it up. Thanks!

[–]TekmoCalifornia 17 points18 points  (7 children)

This is why we need to start promoting alternative voting systems (such as approval voting) which can help break the two-party stranglehold by making it safe to vote for third parties.

[–]Smokecrazy525 11 points12 points  (3 children)

THIS. The incessant distraction away from the game happening behind closed doors. I hope we will all see the man behind the curtain soon.

[–]Best-Chapter5260 27 points28 points  (1 child)

\Moderator Manchin has enabled private chats for backroom deals*

[–]SteakandTrach 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Because the government does not reflect the will of the people. It reflects the will of the special interests groups.

[–]linedout 41 points42 points  (41 children)

I've seen polls where people support universal Healthcare but I've also seen polls where they don't want to give up their insurance.

I don't think the average American has enough info to make an informed decision.

[–]gizamo 36 points37 points  (9 children)

Insurance has been generally horrible to everyone for decades. With the measurable improvements and successes of every universal healthcare system on the planet, the solution is obvious -- give Americans universal healthcare, and also let them keep private insurance. We'll see who really cares about their insurance and who actually just cares about getting healthcare.

[–]wintremute 16 points17 points  (2 children)

For the last 10+ years every enrollment period, every other year the price goes up, and every other year the benefits go down. Like clockwork, or Punxutawny Phil.

[–]gizamo 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Indeed. Insurance prices have actually gone up for the past 60 years. Coverages and payouts have gone down nearly that whole time, except for when the ACA forced coverage of preexisting conditions. It's also harder for insurance to flatly reject all claims as policy nowadays.

[–]rumbletummy 38 points39 points  (10 children)

So make a public option. You dont have to ever make private insurance illegal, but you can easily undercut it.

[–]Doublethink101Michigan 28 points29 points  (5 children)

People would flee the private sector in droves if there was a good public option available, which is precisely why it was taken out back and murdered while the ACA was being crafted.

[–]definitelynotSWA 17 points18 points  (0 children)

The private sector might have to, god forbid, innovate to survive with a good public option. They sure as hell would rather do anything than that lol

[–]Buddha2723 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Private insurance admitted they couldn't compete with a public option, which I think is the best argument for treating an industry like a utility. This isn't a luxury, healthcare is a necessity, just like power and water.

[–]dragunityag 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Which fuckin baffles me, who the fuck actually likes their insurance?

I have fantastic insurance and I'd trade it in for universal healthcare in a heartbeat.

[–]YoloSwaggins1147 23 points24 points  (23 children)

Legal marijuana has entered the chat.

[–]OldRuskiNoir 39 points40 points  (20 children)

No reason to stop at weed imo. At a minimum; decriminalized and rescheduled, or legalized, taxed, and regulated. I'm taking about every drug; weed, LSD, MDMA, 5meo/DMT, PCP, heroin, mushrooms, meth, coke, RCs, the list goes on.

I would love o walk into a dispensary and order the drug of my choosing and have the person behind the counter walk me though proper dosing, expected effects, what to do if things aren't working out, how to spot a overdose or any other problems, etc. then hand me the drugs I ordered complete with a regulatory sticker with lab verified contents and dosages.

No longer would I have to buy test kits with my drug of choice. Meet random people in the parking lots of the nearby McDonald's and have them brag about how this is the purest shit in town I don't need to worry.

[–]Jardite 13 points14 points  (1 child)

almost like it wasnt even a democracy.

[–]yazoospear 6 points7 points  (0 children)

But “RePrEsEnTaTiVe DeMoCrAcY”!!!

[–]HaloSlippinTexas 582 points583 points  (126 children)

So 17% of respondents believe that the war on drugs is a failure and we should keep it going… how very American.

[–]jaymcbang 342 points343 points  (38 children)

They probably believe there needs to be MORE done and MORE people locked up.

[–]AlmbassmanNevada 135 points136 points  (13 children)

They are the type of people who look at Duterte's policies in the Philippines and think they are not draconian enough

[–]GimmeThatSunshine 106 points107 points  (6 children)

I’d wager that this demographic has no idea who Duterte is nor anything about the Philippines.

[–]ManfredsJuicedBallsPennsylvania 60 points61 points  (0 children)

Probably, but once you tell them, they’d be all gung-ho about it

[–]pinkfootthegoose 8 points9 points  (0 children)

They've seen it on a map once. It's right next to Africa.

[–]TJD985 8 points9 points  (1 child)

He insulted Obama and praised trump at one point so they love him as far as I know.

[–]klimanCanada 60 points61 points  (3 children)

I see you've met my in-laws

[–]VeriVeronika 7 points8 points  (5 children)

Lol its like trying to fight an electrical fire with water, seeing it made it worse and thinking "Obviously need more water"

[–]Phorqe 26 points27 points  (0 children)

David Simon (writer of the Wire (on HBO)) said recently on PBS he thinks that people feel they need to keep the war on drugs going because mainstream TV uses drug dealers as their go-to bad guys in their cop shows. All the shows need to have the cops be the obvious hero, so most drug dealers are branded as notorious criminals, rather than just other struggling humans living in the same city.

[–]Hep_C_for_me 72 points73 points  (22 children)

Probably people who profit from it. Police, pharmaceutical companies, prison employees. I think that's why the war on drugs has lasted so long. It employees so many people.

[–]ImJustHere4theMoons 33 points34 points  (1 child)

Nixon's primary motivation for starting the war on drugs was targeting black people and anti war protestors. The majority of marijuana possession arrests in America have usually been African Americans despite white Americans making up the bulk of marijuana users. The war on drugs was never about protecting people, it was always about punishing political opponents, minorities, and making money.

https://www.businessinsider.com/nixon-adviser-ehrlichman-anti-left-anti-black-war-on-drugs-2019-7

[–]pnoyz 26 points27 points  (8 children)

There are ways to keep employment numbers the same, if not increase them. Lobbyists have been working hard for years to convince politicians otherwise.

Me thinks money & legal slavery (double digit prison time for minor drug offenses) is why we haven't seen any systemic changes.

[–]linedout 14 points15 points  (2 children)

The drug war was started to lock up Democratic voters, nothing has changed.

What gets me is even when Republicans brag about this, rub it in Democrats face, Democrats line up to join Republicans in the war on drugs. Biden is the classic example.

[–]ONE-EYE-OPTICOregon 14 points15 points  (0 children)

An the wr on "terror"

[–]socialcommentary2000New York 44 points45 points  (11 children)

We're pro's at doubling down on the wrong bets.

[–]Green_Message_6376 39 points40 points  (7 children)

'You can depend on the Americans to do the right thing. But only after they have exhausted every other possibility'-- Fat boy Winston Churchill.

[–]grayrains79Michigan 12 points13 points  (4 children)

Why am I so offended by something that I know is so true?

[–]good_looking_corpse 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Wall street has it down to a science

[–]888mainfestnow 191 points192 points  (60 children)

The poll also found that 66% of voters support getting rid of "criminal penalties for drug possession and reinvesting drug enforcement resources into treatment and addiction services."

I can already hear politicians saying that soumds like defunding the Police and not on our watch.

[–]zsreportTexas[S] 105 points106 points  (42 children)

And you know the police unions are going to cry bloody murder if any government tries to do that.

[–]mike_b_nimble I voted 230 points231 points  (32 children)

Because since the start of the drug war like half of all police training, budgeting, and activity have been based around drugs. It was their excuse for funding, their excuse to hassle people, their way to frame people when they fucked up, and their excuse to act like characters in a movie doing no-knock raids in the middle of the night. They literally won't know what to do with themselves if drugs are legal. What's really fucked up is there is not a cop working today that remembers a time before the War on Drugs so they have no clue what non-drug-focused policing looks like. It's a core tenant of their existence.

[–]fupayme411 67 points68 points  (8 children)

War on drugs is a war against citizens. We are all potential law breakers that can be breaking the law by having some drugs on them. This war is the cause of the divide we have between police and citizens. Us vs them. We are the enemy in this war.

[–]dust4ngelAmerica 21 points22 points  (6 children)

Us vs them. We are the enemy in this war.

this is what the thin blue line flags are communicating - you are part of an irrational frothing criminal horde that needs to be stomped into submission by police boots.

[–]Cindex9183 85 points86 points  (12 children)

It's so fucked that all of that is 100% true. Without drugs being a target, even traffic stops lose their luster. No chance of smelling weed and beating someone to a pulp. No chance of hauling in a dozen people over a noise complaint because you saw a bong. The only "suspicious activity" they'd be able to go after anymore would be theft and shooters.

[–]ChunkyChuckles 55 points56 points  (3 children)

They might even be able to.. solve crimes!

[–]mmmegan6 41 points42 points  (1 child)

It’s almost like they’d have to actually do their jobs and attempt to solve or even, God forbid, prevent crime

[–]atxfast309 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Yep Without the Drug war how can they justify funding and militarization of the police force! At the end of the day it is all about money!!!

[–]Quentin__Tarantulino 33 points34 points  (7 children)

In my city the police spokesman straight up said that marijuana legalization would remove their main excuse to search people’s vehicles.

[–]Santa_Hates_You 6 points7 points  (5 children)

Driving while smoking weed is still illegal in NV even though weed is legal.

[–]DoctorPlatinumSouth Carolina 14 points15 points  (0 children)

"Soft on crime". Anyone who treats criminals as actual human beings and not Skyrim bandits is soft on crime and will have a thousand attack ads run against them to prove this point.

[–]buttsorbutts 11 points12 points  (1 child)

That is literally defunding the police. It's a good thing.

[–]NotDaveBut 28 points29 points  (13 children)

So basically, everyone in America agrees on this!? Of all things!?

[–]Darwins_Rhythm 26 points27 points  (3 children)

Everyone except the president, vice president, every executive cabinet member, 9/10th of the House and Senate, 3/5 of state governors, and every single federal law enforcement agency. But yeah, other than them, we're in lockstep.

[–]linedout 4 points5 points  (3 children)

And almost none care enough to vote based on it.

[–]theclansman22 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Everyone except the gatekeepers of policy. The war on drugs will continue for another 50 years because the people that matter in the media and both political parties have no interest in changing it. It doesn’t even come up for debate on the major news networks, because it is yet another example of an unpopular policy that has the support of both parties.

Part of the reason people’s views are softening on the war on drugs is because of the success of marijuana legalization, which was done via ballot measure. That is what got the genie out of the bottle and if the two major parties had their way it would have never happened. Even now both of the parties refuse to support legalization at a federal level.

[–]Kpofasho87 34 points35 points  (11 children)

Honestly I'm pretty shocked that the Republican percentage was that high. I expected it to be where it is for democrats and independents but pretty surprised by that number

[–]vellyr 19 points20 points  (2 children)

It wasn’t this high before the opioid pandemic became publicized.

[–]DinkandDrunk 1215 points1216 points  (108 children)

“Instead of war on poverty, they’ve got a war on drugs so the police can bother me” - Tupac

[–]JVRforSchenn 126 points127 points  (2 children)

“It ain't a secret, don't conceal the fact

The penitentiary's packed, and it's filled with blacks”

[–]jedininjashark 25 points26 points  (1 child)

"Give the crack to the kids: who the hell cares? One less hungry mouth on the welfare!"

[–]CurlyHairWow 76 points77 points  (2 children)

That’s just the way it is

[–]Practical-Sky-3398 233 points234 points  (85 children)

Unfortunately we are losing the war on poverty as well. Over 20 trillion spent, poverty rate stays the same

[–]monsantobreath 228 points229 points  (12 children)

The war on poverty is waged against the poor.

[–]Ferelar 70 points71 points  (5 children)

That's the problem with "The War on X". We treat it like war. Whereas most of the "X"s should NOT be handled as war targets. But we spent trillions of dollars on a very expensive hammer (US Military and Police) and by God everything WILL be a nail by the time we're done.

[–]Ggorge 11 points12 points  (2 children)

It’s sad because “the war on __ “ should mean mobilizing the entire economy to solve this issue, as if we were at war, not wage war on the issue by militarizing the police and trying to let them beat the crap out of the issue

[–]Spanky_McJigglesNew York 47 points48 points  (6 children)

Don't worry bro, it's gonna trickle down any day now. Trust me bro, the trickle is coming.

[–]Gonads_of_Thor 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Then it will turn into a shower of gold!

All of us will be lining up for our own GOLDEN SHOWER!

/fuck trickle down voodoo economics

[–]GoodGreenRev 99 points100 points  (15 children)

Unless the goal of the war on poverty is to make more people impoverished to war with. Then it's working exactly the way it should.

[–]SewnVagina 133 points134 points  (10 children)

"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people," former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman told Harper's writer Dan Baum for the April cover story published Tuesday.

"You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin. And then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities," Ehrlichman said. "We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."

[–]DinkandDrunk 41 points42 points  (2 children)

Sage Francis best lyrics in my opinion, Vonnegut Busy, touches heavily on war and poverty

“One, two and to the three and to the foreclosure

They said the war was over, but we know it wasn't

They wanted more soldiers so we said "sure, fuck it"

Here's a fresh batch of people with setbacks

The poor folk, in fact they're all broke cause of your debt traps

Picking the pockets of people who probably needed assistance most

Selling them lies, selling them out, sending them off to a distant coast

Telling them anything anyone left with impossible debt is receptive to

Breaking a promise of negative worth like "buddy there's nothing left for you"

Gotta buy buy buy to stay alive, they punish the payment delayed

Then they charge you for the low balance then they ask "why didn't you save?"

Too long we took it on the chin, too long we took it to our grave

Now we take what we can get, fuck an unlivable minimum wage”

[–]Isaydumbchyt 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Wow I havent seen a Sage Francis reference in a while. Good stuff.

[–]Comrade_CorgoCalifornia 24 points25 points  (12 children)

Capitalism must generate poverty to exist. You cannot have a few extremely wealthy men without many more who can barely afford to live. They can pretend to throw money at the problem, but the issue is with the very system itself that must create a class of homeless, poor people so that we are motivated enough to keep working for the boss to keep from becoming like them, living on the streets and subject to abuse by police who care more about the property they camp on than the lives of the people themselves.

[–]Sgt-Spliff 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Pretty sure the war is against the impoverished and it is being won handily

[–]Phannig 3847 points3848 points 23 (328 children)

It’s achieved exactly what it set out to achieve. Hundreds of thousands in prison, millions more ineligible to vote due to having a record and communities destroyed because people aren’t able to get employment. It’s was never a war on drugs, that’s just a convenient name, it’s a war on minority/marginalised communities and people who challenge the powers that be.

[–]NDN_perspective 505 points506 points  (36 children)

I’m brown and was the only one to get a possession ticket at a football game in Undergrad, let everyone else with a warning :)

[–]SpwazzAmerica 146 points147 points  (7 children)

It's very common for us non-white people to be targeted by the police and the prosecution.

Double the rate if you are indigenous and have rights to prime land.

[–]NDN_perspective 57 points58 points  (4 children)

I was lucky in that situation even because one of the cops was power tripping and wanted to right me up for underage drinking as well and one nicer cop talked him down. That would have made me loose my license for a while…

[–]SpwazzAmerica 59 points60 points  (2 children)

It's about subjugation and oppression.

The mark of society to reject us from opportunity, the mark of shame against our heritage and culture, to keep us oppressed.

For us, we have to take the acts of oppression and pick our moments to resist the determination of the power that aims to keep us down.

The savages were not the indigenous protecting our land, rights, and sovereignty, the savages are those who seek to destroy our lands, take our natural resources, and keep us further oppressed through legalized murder, scientific testing research subjugation, assimilation of heritage and culture, and legalized kidnapping into 'civilized' churches.

The laws apply to you and me, but not to thee.

[–]sikmode 558 points559 points  (6 children)

I came to say this. Not as eloquently but still.

[–]Charming_Rub_5275 137 points138 points  (4 children)

It’s the thought that counts.

[–]azflatlander 54 points55 points  (3 children)

Take action to feel better.

[–]thomasscat 23 points24 points  (1 child)

Wish my doctor would prescribe me some action, I’d like to feel better.

[–]Minorous I voted 41 points42 points  (0 children)

and I liked your version more 😜

[–]Efficient-Track2867 65 points66 points  (11 children)

As well as completely destabilizing a ton of South American countries so the CIA can do some good ole fashioned regime changes

[–]d0nk3y_schl0ng 64 points65 points  (10 children)

Exactly, the "War on Drugs" is entirely responsible for the rise of the cartels in Central and South America and violent criminal gangs throughout the world. Far, far worse than having simply been a waste of resources, the failed war on drugs has destroyed millions of lives and had a negative ripple effect on every part of society. All that and drugs are easier to get than ever before. Want to solve the "border crisis", save lives, lower taxes, and make the world a better place all in one go? Just end the war on drugs.

[–]MacStylee 178 points179 points  (12 children)

It’s a war on the public. Even if you are not interested in the substances they deemed illegal, even if you’re not a minority that the war was designed to target, you’re still part of a society that’s given license for police to invade and ruin anyone whose life they decide to, under the pretext of knowing what’s best for them to be doing.

All of society is affected by this overreach, disproportionately people of colour, sure, but giving police the power to interfere with individual’s lives in this way affects everyone.

[–]androgenoide 44 points45 points  (0 children)

It did more than just give a license for state sanctioned violence. It also motivated gang warfare. It brought back drive-by shootings that had nearly disappeared after the repeal of Prohibition. That mostly affected low-class communities so it wasn't really seen as a defect so much as proof that "those people" had no self control.

[–]Cfp0001-Iceman 89 points90 points  (3 children)

Well, it's class warfare. It always comes back to keeping those without wealth from getting wealth. They give police more power in the name of drugs to further divide those who can afford to be not guilty and those who cannot. So often our legal system is more about the connections your lawyer has than the crime or guilt of those involved.

Their favorite targets is the black community, but anyone not in their "ideal" mold is fair game.

[–]Homet 15 points16 points  (2 children)

Right exactly. Police not only go after minorities, but anyone who doesn't look like they belong to the upper echelons of society. If you have the wrong hair, wrong piercings, you look "alt" or just poor in general, then you are a target. Can't have us undesirables spoiling the view.

Another thing that bothers me is the hyper focus on police killings. When you look at the stats, it's not the holocaust it's described as. What's far more insidious is all the ways the justice system abuses it's power to keep all of us in the lower classes or living alternative lifestyles downtrodden no matter what race you are. I guarantee you a lot more lives are lost due to that downward pressure than any direct one on one confrontation with the police.

[–]hennytime 44 points45 points  (3 children)

Exactly. It gives to cops the power to 'claim' they smell something to initiate a search without consent. Fuck that noise. I'm glad the SCOTUS ruled smell is no longer an indicator with mmj and the 2018 farm act legalizing hemp.

[–]Flippers4hands 15 points16 points  (2 children)

Haha that still won’t stop them.. they don’t even have to “know” or even understand the laws they might think they’re enforcing.

[–]CaveBike 76 points77 points  (17 children)

…and enslavement. We literally turn our nations drug addicts into slaves…

[–]treebeard69_ 14 points15 points  (0 children)

It’s insane that we have actual recordings and transcripts of politicians laying this out exactly as you stated. What a shithole country.

[–]Dfiggsmeister 42 points43 points  (1 child)

Of course it is. It was never a war on drugs. It is a war on minorities and progressives. Between civil asset forfeiture, private prisons, felony drug laws for minor offenses and three strikes laws, the system was rigged from Nixon and beyond. Not to mention the CIA bringing in narcotics into the U.S. in hopes that minorities get hooked on crack or heroin (which backfired horribly with the opioid epidemic). Also the failure of D.A.R.E. Which was the 90s version of “challenge accepted” for drugs. It hasn’t worked, it will never work, and when we historically created prohibition, it failed then as much as it does today.

My favorite quote from a Nixon Aide: “The Nixon Campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to either be against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin. And then criminalize both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”

[–]capnclutchpenetro 2 points3 points  (0 children)

DARE made me more curious about drugs than afraid of them. My 5th and 6th grade logic was basically "if this shit is so bad for you and destroys lives so thoroughly, but people still do it it must feel fucking fantastic. I want to try some while I'm still young, healthy, and strong so I can feel that without fucking up.my life".

[–]umpire7777 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Well said, monies better spent on healthcare and infrastructure.

[–]ScubaleftyWisconsin 11 points12 points  (0 children)

This excellent graphic illustrates your point perfectly.

https://i.imgur.com/i4rX8Wg.gifv

[–]Parkimedes 32 points33 points  (5 children)

This is hopefully the view of the other 17%.

[–]samfsherisbackVirginia 85 points86 points  (4 children)

most of that 17% is probably just boomers who hates weed and also don’t like to admit when america has lost a war

[–]DweEbLez0 29 points30 points  (2 children)

And they rather get high off the system fucking minorities while they profit.

[–]MidwestFescue82 8 points9 points  (0 children)

"It's a war on personal freedom keep that in mind at all times" Bill Hicks.

[–]thinkdustin 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Don't forget about all the money the Big Pharma companies made with their LEGAL opiates and LEGAL amphetamines, and all the money Big Alcohol has made, and all the domestic abuse as a result, the automobile accidents, and the general violence associated with alcohol.

[–]RikersTrombone 1205 points1206 points  (82 children)

It was actually a huge success.

www.vox.com/platform/amp/2016/3/22/11278760/war-on-drugs-racism-nixon

At the time, I was writing a book about the politics of drug prohibition. I started to ask Ehrlichman a series of earnest, wonky questions that he impatiently waved away. "You want to know what this was really all about?" he asked with the bluntness of a man who, after public disgrace and a stretch in federal prison, had little left to protect. "The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."

[–]dxtboxer 248 points249 points  (11 children)

Yeah, this should be fairly basic historical fact by now. The architects of the War on Drugs admitted, right here, that it had nothing to do with drugs.

We as a country are so slow to respond to new information, so resistant to change and progress, it’s maddening.

[–]CaveBike 38 points39 points  (6 children)

And before that at the turn of the century cocaine was banned for the same reason.

[–]mrteas_nz 285 points286 points  (57 children)

And so goes the Republican tradition of running roughshod over democratic process and the will of the people.

[–]stoutshrimp 239 points240 points  (45 children)

It wasn't just Republicans. This horrible policy was perpetuated in a bipartisan way. Biden also helped push the war on drugs.

Republicans started it but then the two major parties started trying to out-do each other to be seen as 'tough on crime'.

[–]mrteas_nz 183 points184 points  (11 children)

Truth. Clinton used it as a defence mechanism against Republican attacks. And Kamala Harris has a long record of LOCKING up POC in California...

[–]IT53 39 points40 points  (3 children)

No just rhetorically either. Clinton's 94 crime bill has done as much damage as any other 'war on drugs' policy.

[–]Hitmanjr-77 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Keep in mind that Hillary said she would never let marijuana be legal. She would fight it to the end. It’s not just one side vs the other. Stop believing this all repubs are evil and all dems are for the good of man.

[–]HiaQueu 20 points21 points  (1 child)

Lol. The current President and Vice President of the US have been huge fans of the war on drugs. One helped get the laws on the books. The other enforced them with gusto.

[–][deleted] 170 points171 points  (33 children)

So im a HUGE believer in Switzerlands heroin clinic system. And should the opiate epidemic ever come up in conversation I always espouse its virtues. Was talking with a conservative dude at the dog park one day and the discussion was moving in that direction. After I finished explaining how we could prevent nearly all opiate deaths, keep needles off our streets, and bankrupt organized crime, all for less money than we are spending now, and that all this has already been proven to work everywhere its ever been tried. His response was: "great so they all live and then we end up with hundreds of thousands of fucking leaches on wellfare".

[–]Inertial_Mass 128 points129 points  (7 children)

My father is exactly the same way. He opposes legalization, public health care, the entire social safety net. He doesn't care that those things would save him money and make society healthier and safer.

His whole life is driven by petty jealousy, anger, and the all consuming fear that someone, somewhere might get an easier life or more of a free ride than he did.

Conservatism is itself like a mental illness. A continuous fear response. Likely based in some childhood trauma.

[–]Aconite_72Foreign 34 points35 points  (4 children)

I feel like conservatism’s motto is: “For me, but not for thee.”

Ask them if they want free, affordable healthcare or not. Yes. Ask them if they want welfare when they’re out of work or not. Yes. Ask them if they want education to be cheap or not. Yes.

But when you say that everyone else will also get it, then they flip out.

Like they’re the only people who are good enough to be entitled to all of these while everyone else are leeches sucking on their bosoms. Only they get to enjoy the perks. Nobody else. They’d rather keep their lives hard and miserable than sharing with anyone.

[–]Oskarvlc 16 points17 points  (0 children)

A true Patriot. God bless America but fuck Americans.

[–]scuppasteve 36 points37 points  (0 children)

Yeah turns out a lot of people are fucking monsters and believe they are the arbiters of who should get help and decide who are "good" people. This is the modern farce of religion, people use religion as a wedge to hate the out group.

[–]AnAliebn99 21 points22 points  (6 children)

One of my fav moments from teaching this year: I assigned my students to write a persuasive speech on a controversial topic. I had one student who wanted to argue against safe injection sites/needle programs. Okay, sounds good! But after a day or two of researching and working on the assignment, he calls me into a breakout room to ask for help.

He goes, “Ms. I have a problem. I’m trying to write my speech against these types of drug programs, but all the research I’m reading says they’re beneficial? It shows that people overdose less and it lowers rates of diseases.” I said “okay…” and he goes, “Well all the research goes against my argument so… I don’t know what to do?” And I was like, “Well if the research supports the other side, have you considered maybe changing your opinion on the topic?”

You should’ve seen the look on his face!!! The lightbulb went off and his jaw dropped. I can just still see the face he made so vividly. His mind was totally blown. He ended up changing his side and writing an incredible A-worthy speech!

[–]r_r_36 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This shows how important education really is. It’s isn’t about writing some dumb essay but about giving young people the insights they need to function in the bigger world

[–]MLGSwaglord1738California 5 points6 points  (5 children)

You have legalization on one end, and Singapore’s “kill almost everyone” on the other. Both work, human rights is the only issue. Both are certainly cheaper than the American way.

[–]funtextgenerator 150 points151 points  (3 children)

I would like to congratulate drugs for winning the war on drugs.

[–]oced2001 33 points34 points  (7 children)

It's not a war. Wars end

  • Herc, The Wire

[–]8to24 133 points134 points  (25 children)

The law enforcement industrial complex is too big to fail. Between all the nations local and federal law enforcement agencies, prisons, and jails (public & Private) the U.S. spend half a trillion dollars a year. Drug Enforcement is the number one thing all those department and facilities manager. The U.S. keeps fighting the war on drugs as a defacto employment program keeping millions of people employed disenfranchising ten of millions of others.

[–]ZenMonkey47 80 points81 points  (13 children)

If pre-Civil War slavery was still in place it'd most likely be considered "too big too fail" as well.

[–]8to24 47 points48 points  (6 children)

Of course, that was the impetus for the civil war.

[–]Eattherightwing 27 points28 points  (5 children)

Slavery was DEFINITELY too big to fail, and yet America survived while doing the right thing.

[–]AgnosMichigan 56 points57 points  (6 children)

Not for all...many also profited...drug lords, police, the whole judicial system, prisons, politicians, those with money to sponsor traffic...

But worse, it badly damaged our bill of rights and cancelled part of our constitution. For a country based on the social contract, they defaulted on their part...

[–]Dont_touch_my_elbows 56 points57 points  (5 children)

But worse, it badly damaged our bill of rights and cancelled part of our constitution.

The fact that the 4th amendment can be sidestepped by the unprovable-in-court claim that a cop "smells weed"...

And before you tell me "that's not just a blank check to search whenever and whereever you want", answer this:

Do cops face ANY consequences for a search predicated upon "the smell of weed" that fails to locate any contraband?

If not, what's stopping them from simply lying about it???

[–]aregulardude 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Nothing at all, and they do routinely.

The fact is that they can only be held accountable for it if they do it to someone who is wealthy and willing to expend vast sums of money to teach that cop a less. Also if the wealthy person lives in the area they will have to move far away to avoid being straight murdered by the cops buddies.

Most cops are pretty good at avoiding those rich people when they perform their illegal searches.

[–]djinbu 160 points161 points  (24 children)

It was a stupid war to begin with. It was just a political tactic to scare the shit out of voters, keep the poor in check, and fund police departments through civil forfeiture.

You're not going to convince me that marijuana was making people go out and hurt people. I grew up with stoners. They sat on the couch laughing at Blue's Clues and eating pizza rolls.

In the rare case that I'm high, I'm laughing my ass off watching Red Green on Youtube. I have never heard anyone say, "let's go commit violent crime" after a blunt. But after a few glasses of whiskey...

[–]MerryMisanthrope 64 points65 points  (5 children)

It's that classic question, "What is trashy if you're poor, but just fine if you're rich?"

[–]djinbu 44 points45 points  (2 children)

And that brings up another issue I have with the rich. Not liking fancy whiskey, I tend to drink expensive stuff as well. But their crimes. When they go out and commit crime, it's something boring and devastating like stealing a ton of people's 401k or paying their weird buddy to let them fuck his 14-years-old slave girl. But when but possessing a pound of marijuana gets you more time in a far shittier prison.

Like, but only do the rich just not even comprehend what a fun illegal crime is, they don't even comprehend what actual punishment is. They just live in some weird ass world that makes no fucking sense.

Edit: also, I've been drinking. Sorry if that didn't make sense.

[–]minicpstNorth Carolina 10 points11 points  (0 children)

There’s a great song called The Irony of it All by The Streets.

[Verse 1] Hello, hello My name's Terry and I'm a law-abider There's nothing I like more than getting fired up on beer And when the weekend's here I exercise my right to get paralytic and fight Good bloke, fairly But I get well lairy when geezers look at me funny Bounce 'em round like bunnies I'm likely to cause mischief Good clean grief, you must believe, and I ain't no thief Law-abiding and all, all legal And who cares about my liver when it feels good? What you need is some real manhood Rasher Rasher, Barney and Kasha, putting peoples' backs up Public disorder? I'll give you public disorder! I down eight pints and run all over the place Spit in the face of an officer See if that bothers ya, 'cause I never broke a law in my life Someday, I'm gonna settle down with a wife Come on, lads, let's have another fight

[Verse 2] Er, hello, my name's Tim and I'm a criminal In the eyes of society, I need to be in jail For the choice of herbs I inhale This ain't no wholesale operation Just a few eighths and some PlayStation's my vocation I pose a threat to the nation And down the station, the police hold no patience Let's talk space and time I like to get deep sometimes and think about Einstein And Carl Jung, and old Kung Fu movies I like to see Pass the hydrator please Yeah, I'm floating on thin air Going to Amsterdam in the New Year, top gear there 'Cause I take pride in my hobby Homemade bongs using my engineering degree Dear leaders, please legalise weed for these reasons

[Verse 3] Like I was saying to him I told him, "Fuck with me and you won't live" So I smacked him in the head and downed another Carling Bada-bada-bing, for the lads like Mad fight, his face's a sad sight, vodka and snakebite Going on like a right geez, he's a twat Shouldn't have looked at me like that Anyway, I'm an upstanding citizen If a war came along, I'd be on the front line with 'em Can't stand crime either, them hooligans on heroin Drugs and criminals Those thugs are the pinnacle of the downfall of society I've got all the anger pent up inside of me

[Verse 4] You know, I don't see why I should be the criminal How can something with no recorded fatalities be illegal? And how many deaths are there per year from alcohol? I just completed Gran Turismo on the hardest setting We pose no threat on my settee Ooh, the pizza's here, will someone let him in, please? "We didn't order chicken Not a problem, we'll pick it out" I doubt they meant to mess us about After all, we're all adults, not louts As I was saying, we're friendly, peaceful people We're not the ones out there causing trouble We just sit in this hazy bubble with our quarters Discussing how beautiful Gail Porter is MTV, BBC Two, Channel 4 is on 'til six in the morning Then at six in the morning, the sun dawns and it's my bed time

[Verse 5] Causing trouble? You're stinking rabble! Poised, saying I'm the lad who's spoiling it? You're on drugs! It really bugs me when people try and tell me I'm a thug Just for getting drunk I like getting drunk 'Cause I'm an upstanding citizen If a war came along, I'd be on the front line with 'em

[Verse 6] Now Terry, you're repeating yourself But that's okay, drunk people can't help that A chemical reaction happening inside your brain Causes you to forget what you're saying

[Verse 7] What?! I know exactly what I'm saying I'm perfectly sane You stinking student lame-o! Go get a job and stop robbing us of our taxes

[Verse 8] Erm, well, actually, according to research Government funding for further education pales in insignificance When compared to how much they spend on repairing Lairy drunk people at the weekend In casualty wards all over the land

[Verse 9] Why, you cheeky little swine, come here! I'm gonna batter ya! Come here!

https://youtu.be/EZx5OgKQNrA

[–]temporaryapples 11 points12 points  (4 children)

There is European system where they give the addicts meth with doctor supervision and clean needles and they provide counseling, instead of focusing on providing money for the addiction they can focus on ending it

[–]donnyisabitchface 11 points12 points  (1 child)

The private prison industry would call it a great success

[–]madbladers 36 points37 points  (3 children)

It's good we spent hundreds of billions to stop kids from smoking pot and gave billions to pharmaceutical companies and doctors to start the biggest drug crisis this country has ever seen. Real smart America, bravo, slow clap.

[–]moonscienceCalifornia 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Yes, ending the war on drugs today wouldn't be soon enough.

[–]pwzapffe99 10 points11 points  (4 children)

I would like to congratulate drugs for winning the war on drugs.

[–]Suikeran 8 points9 points  (0 children)

"Nothing will fundamentally change".

[–]Many_Advice_1021 7 points8 points  (4 children)

Just a way to put black people in jail. Another failed Repub policy to undermine government

[–][deleted] 46 points47 points  (11 children)

It was a huge success for the Republicans. They start all kinds of wars.

War on drugs.

War on reproductive rights.

War on free speech.

War on teaching about racial injustice.

War on access to voting.

[–]monsantobreath 23 points24 points  (1 child)

Democrats have happily fought the war on drugs too. Its a rather bipartisan stain on the nation's history. Its taken a while for the Democratic party to finally get some balls and start moving against it. For the longest time though the best way for a Democrat to earn credibility with critics was to be tough on crime, tough on drugs, all that shit.

[–]Sirgolfs 7 points8 points  (6 children)

Simple question. What has it accomplished?

[–]mavjustdoingaflyby 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Exactly what they wanted it too. It was afterall a war on people.

[–]sfaer23gezfvW 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You can get the USPS to deliver drugs right to your door step without anyone the wiser, this means that the war on drugs being a failure is no longer a opinion, its a fact, the drug problem has gotten worse, and what we have to show for it is a bunch of people doing serious time like they committed murder.

But lets be clear, it was never about stopping drugs, its real goals rooted, in racism, is what it accomplished and continues to do so at a phenomenal level.

[–]ArtisanJagon 16 points17 points  (1 child)

The war on drugs was meant to privatized prisons so the wealthy could rake in massive profits on human misery.

[–]jonnyredshorts 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Also, you just explained just about every policy enacted by the federal government over the past 40+ years.

[–]mrteas_nz 15 points16 points  (3 children)

And the other 17% are either evil or ignorant.

[–]fathercreatch 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Their livelihood depends on it.

[–]Ar_CielFlorida 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I don't believe it was ever about drugs. It was about punishing minorities and control through fear.

[–]camynnad 38 points39 points  (2 children)

And those still pushing it are mentally and morally deficient.

[–]Eattherightwing 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Destructive and hateful as well. Criminalization did one thing: it identified the true criminals. (Psst, it's NOT the substance users).

[–]iamrubberyouareglue9 33 points34 points  (0 children)

It was always a war against lower income and POC. Wealthy white people have lawyers, insurance and rehab. Regular folks get jail time.

[–]OffloadComplete 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Public defender here. 17% of Americans are wrong.

[–]Zach81096 4 points5 points  (2 children)

The problem is many of these same people polled will say it failed because not enough resources were put into fighting drugs.

Prohibition does not work.

[–]stonedgrower 4 points5 points  (0 children)

And the other 17% are racists who like locking up minorities....

[–]prima_facie2021 4 points5 points  (0 children)

War on Drugs Trickle Down Destruction of mental health system

In retrospect, Ron and Nancy weren't Republican geniuses.

Singularly responsible for our prison population: they took away mental health care and instituted the war on drugs. Decades later, we even have a school to prison pipeline.

And the greatest wealth gap in the history of our country, and growing exponentially.

Fuck Ron and Nancy. His son agrees.

[–]SuckMeLikeURMyLife 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The point of the war on drugs is to empower fascists, nullify constitutional rights, and disrupt leftist and minority communities.

Massive success.

[–]420blazeit69nubz 4 points5 points  (0 children)

“Ain't no Uzi's made in Harlem. Not one of us in here owns a poppy field.” - New Jack City

[–]Fallingice2 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I mean the drug war has the easiest solution. Legalize drug use, and create a government Monopoly on distribution through specific stores. Use money from drug sales to help addicts and fix the societal issues that arise. Do we think there is this magical head of drugs that we can capture to make it all stop? Lmao, there is a demand for drugs, someone will meet that demand. Kill a top guy? Another guy will step into his place. The only way to stop cartels and those that profit from that world? Remove the money. How can the compete with pure tested drugs from a government ran store? Lol too many parts of the government/those with power get a benefit to the never ending drug war. /End rant

[–]sweetestdethTexas 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's because in the forty odd years since it was started, most have realized its true colors. It's a war on poverty and minorities. Fuck Reagan.